Help me ID these 2

I_Dig_it · Post by **I_Dig_it** » May 06, 2007 12:18 am

Last year I got this from a friend that was moving.
She never keeps track of her plants and didn't know what it was.
I thought it was Francee. It was a slug eatten one eyed plant.

Here it is this year coming up with 6 eyes.

It sure doesn't look like Francee now.

On another forum someone said it looked like Wide Brim.

Wellll, I thought I bought a Wide Brim last year, at least that is what the tag said.

But someone mentioned that this looks more like Wolverine.

getting confused yet?
Here it is this year...

So, can anyone help me sort this out?

Janet

HostaDesigner · Post by **HostaDesigner** » May 06, 2007 7:55 am

They all still look like Wide Brim to me. WB varies a lot whether it is grown in a container or the ground. Containers will make it much smaller and squattier with slightly twisted leaves.

DryGulch · Post by **DryGulch** » May 06, 2007 8:15 am

New foliage always looks a lot different thanold foliage.

That said, neither looks like Wide Brim to me. The first has the look of Fair Maiden, especially the slug eaten part! The Wide Brim I have seen have a more evenly delineated border, and not the feathered effect these both show.

renaldo75 · Post by **renaldo75** » May 06, 2007 3:03 pm

My 2 cents: the 1st one is definitely NOT Fair Maiden [leaves too big & variegation isn't the same] & neither of them look like Wolverine to me [the leaves of both are too wide]. I can see Wide Brim being the 1st one, but not so much it being the 2nd one although they are variable as was mentioned. I'll see if I can get a pic of my Wide Brim that's unfurling sometime if the rain should decide to stop again.

thehostagourmet · Post by **thehostagourmet** » May 06, 2007 10:28 pm

Last year's picture of the second one looks like 'Dark Star'. This year it's too early to tell.

George

largosmom · Post by **largosmom** » May 06, 2007 10:50 pm

For comparison, here is Fair Maiden (I agree, you don't have this one).

largosmom · Post by **largosmom** » May 06, 2007 10:56 pm

Here are two more. I have to take a new photo of Wolverine, which I also added this spring. The other one is just unfurling.

largosmom · Post by **largosmom** » May 06, 2007 10:58 pm

By the way, I think the first one is not Wide Brim, it seems to shiny on the leaf to me. My Wide Brims have a duller finish to them.

Tigger · Post by **Tigger** » May 06, 2007 11:16 pm

Francee comes up with a thinner, near-white edge (which it holds all season), helping distinguish it from its near twin Fortunei Albo-marginata (a.k.a. Silver Crown a.k.a. Moorheim). I think your first picture may be the latter. Do you remember what its blooms looked like and/or when it bloomed? The Fortunei types all have modest blooms and little or no seed pod formation. Wide Brim, with some non-fortunei blood, has a little more "oomph" to its blooms.

ademink · Post by **ademink** » May 06, 2007 11:19 pm

Definitely *not* Wolverine! Pretty though.

eastwood2007 · Post by **eastwood2007** » May 06, 2007 11:25 pm

HostaDesigner wrote:They all still look like Wide Brim to me. WB varies a lot whether it is grown in a container or the ground. Containers will make it much smaller and squattier with slightly twisted leaves.

I agree, they both look like Wide Brim. That is the same thing I saw...one in the ground looked like the top one and one in the pot looked like the second one.

Definitely not Wolverine...not pointy enough and definitely not Fair Maiden...here's a pic of mine...

Wide Brim is a great hosta, though!

I_Dig_it · Post by **I_Dig_it** » May 07, 2007 3:11 pm

I don't know when either one of them bloomed.
The first one already had the scape cut down when I dug it up. You can kind of see it sticking up in the middle.

The second one did not bloom for me last year. If I can remember right it was purchased late in the season, like in September.

I guess I'll just wait and see how they develop through out this year. I do like how they are looking, though I don't think I'll want both if they are the same. My space is too limited to have duplicates, lol.

Janet

MollyD · Post by **MollyD** » May 07, 2007 6:02 pm

Your second picture of the adopted hosta looks just like my Wide Brim.

MollyD

I_Dig_it · Post by **I_Dig_it** » May 08, 2007 12:00 am

I guess I should remove the 'Francee' name tag then huh? lol
I didn't know Wide Brim got that dark. None of the pics I've ever seen have shown it that dark.

I like how it's looking so far, so I guess I just wait and see.

Thanks for all the help.
Janet

DBoweMD · Post by **DBoweMD** » May 09, 2007 10:16 am

I think your second pic looks like Antioch AKA Moorheim.
Quite a bit of variation in the margins.

MollyD · Post by **MollyD** » May 09, 2007 10:39 am

I sure hope my Moerheim gets to looking like that! Right now it doesn't resemble that plant at all.

MollyD

rakenleafs · Post by **rakenleafs** » May 09, 2007 10:59 am

My vote on the first one is Queen Josephine..
1st pic is from 2006, second today 2007

rakenleafs · Post by **rakenleafs** » May 09, 2007 11:00 am

QJ 2007

MollyD · Post by **MollyD** » May 09, 2007 11:15 am

Leaf shape is different plus look at the second picture. Same plant-different year and zero resemblance to QJ.

MollyD

rakenleafs · Post by **rakenleafs** » May 09, 2007 11:30 am

Molly, I could say the same about mine... they QJ doesn't look the same in the spring as she does in the fall..
But for fun I put the 2 side by side to compare.

Hallson Gardens

Help me ID these 2

Help me ID these 2

Sure look a lot happier!

The second one