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John Polka
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encouraging root growth

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I was thinking... What are some tricks to encourage root growth? Besides the obvious..

1- eliminate root competition
2- maximum sunlight suitable for cultivar
3- deep watering twice a week in the morning
4- cutting scapes
5- loamy soil
6- rich soil

Was also curious... Since hosta grow their roots mainly after blooming :!: til dormancy... If a hosta is a late bloomer, say anything plantaginea, there is less time between blooming and dormancy, do they generally develop less roots on average, than say an undulata which blooms early... I noticed this year digging up some undulata albos they had way more roots than any honeybells that I was digging up...
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Here is an excerpt from a Bob Solberg article on hosta physiology.

I understand from this and other things I've read that root growth actually follows leaf development---leaves develop in the spring and then also after blooming and the roots follow to support the leaves. Entire article is at
http://www.globalgardens.com/hostap-a.html

"With the arrival of spring, the buds begin to swell and the hosta unfurls its first set of leaves in the spring. There are usually three leaves, as this is characteristic of the lily family, of which it is a member. The size of the leaf is dependent on what happened last fall, before it went dormant. More on this later. About three weeks after the leaves unfurl, the roots will begin to grow. New roots will be formed, and the tips of the old roots will turn white and begin to grow. Depending on the climate and what type of hosta, another flush of growth can occur again later in the spring. New leaves will be formed from this years growth, followed by new roots in a few weeks.

Sometime in the summer, the plant will switch gears and go from a vegetative phase to reproductive. Flower stalks will form and bloom. A show of hands was taken to show how many remove flower stalks as they appear. No one does, probably because it is so much trouble. Actually, it serves little purpose, as the flower was already formed the prior year. It is not the flower that takes strength from the plant; it is during seed production that the hosta expends a lot of energy and nutrients. In fact many people remove the flower stalk after flowering but before seed set.

After the hosta has bloomed and the heat of summer has moderated, our idealized hosta will send up another flush of growth. This usually occurs five to six weeks before the last frost date. After this final flush of growth, the hosta will again shift gears and get ready for dormancy.

Now we have examined the life cycle of our generalized hosta. But why is it important? Because it tells us when the best times are to divide and fertilize.
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In my opinion and experience I believe the following things encourage better root growth:

1) Deep loam that is coarse, loose and airy. Hostas love oxygen at the root zone and the larger the air pockets the bigger and thicker the roots that develop. To develop thicker, bigger roots we use pine bark mulch and coarse perlite in our potting soil and add lots of compost into the garden soil to lighten the dirt here that is naturally heavy. I turn the soil or rototill on low speed and then plant the hostas into the loose soil and make sure I don't pack them in. I also really avoid walking into the garden after I've planted. We then recommend some mulch but don't walk around too much spreading it. We add more and more compost each time we plant so the gardens and growing areas are building up over time. Some of the absolute largest roots that I've seen have been on hostas that grew down into a sandy, gravely soil with really rich soil above.

2) Water really deeply a couple times a week. Saturate things so that the water gets deep down but then let it dry out a little in between. If you water all the time you will develop shallow surface roots that won't support the plant as well during drought. Some of my largest plants are at the edge of our wetlands but they also have the smallest roots as they simply don't have to worry about finding water.

Those are the only two things that I think are really essential for good root development: good aeration and good, deep moisture. Personally I believe that "more sun" for bigger hostas is a myth. In most cases where people try to prove this as being true, the real reason for the plants to struggle in the shade was from root competition or a lack of natural rain water. One person tried to prove it by showing pictures of one plant in the shade of the house and another 5 feet further out in the sun. The one in the sun was much larger but they failed to notice that the one in the shade was also covered by the eaves and never got any rain. In another case a person was comparing hostas under maples to those out in full sun. In another it was the shade of spruce trees vs. sun. Evergreens not only have some root competition but they shed almost all of the rain to the drip line.

Probably the only trick that I use for better root growth is to add mycorrhizae fungi to our potting soil. We start all of our TC hostas in pots and we add this to our potting soil. Oh, and we also underpot them - this gives them more oxygen around the roots too. Then we grow them in the ground, usually for 2 winters, so maybe that is the other trick - time :)
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Fantastic response Chris! So you're saying its possible that a hosta in full shade will develop roots as fast as a hosta in all the sun it can handle? And I know what you mean about the hostas thriving in soil that is rich and loamy on top and gravely underneath. My front foundation plantings have been exactly that.... years ago before we bought the house... lots of pea sized limestone gravel was spread all around our house. Assuming they were trying to prevent erosion around the foundation. We moved in and started planting and digging down eight inches... the soil is full of gravel. I've managed to dig most of it out of the upper eight inches of soil..but my hosta do seem to thrive... and my soil drains fantastic.

I've recently purchased a mantis type cultivator lol... really excited to be able to get in my beds with it... I have been cultivating by
hand mostly. Which isn't insanely tough...but every now and then I run into a hunk of clay I just want to decimate lol...

Oh and the rundown of the cycles... thats awesome input.. had no idea that flowering did not take away from what the plant is getting.. nutritionally... just that seed formation does. And the hosta is actually growing its roots all season... except when seed formation is using the majority of the energy.

So basically theres no trick except this fungi you speak of....work your soil... water properly.... and there it is....

What exactly is this fungi?

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Chris_W wrote: 2) Water really deeply a couple times a week. Saturate things so that the water gets deep down but then let it dry out a little in between. If you water all the time you will develop shallow surface roots that won't support the plant as well during drought. Some of my largest plants are at the edge of our wetlands but they also have the smallest roots as they simply don't have to worry about finding water.

This is interesting to me. I guess I thought that big roots= big hosta, but from your experience it sounds like this is not really the case? Developing longer, deeper roots is more for drought protection rather than robust growth?
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Good question... Colleen... considering that my main reason for wanting to encourage root growth is to develop more mature eyes quickly...
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Same here, John! All I want is big hostas, as fast as possible, lol. I can give them all the water they need (knock on wood)
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hadn't exactly thought about the sun-shade thing in the way Chris talks about it... I guess I might argue the right way to compare would be shade cloth versus direct sun or shade from buildings that are far enough away to produce shade but not to block moisture and air flow.

Anywho - I think I've probably had my fastest hosta growth in a sunny spot with 60% shade cloth. They get all the rain, plus my watering... only root competition from each other... gooo air flow... and they've grown like gangbusters... to the point that I have to keep digging huge hostas to create room. Garden Party is dominating 5 feet of diameter and is over 3' tall... Zounds is lower but, after languishing for years it likes this spot and sprawl around 4-5' in diameter... Leading Lady ate the space of 5 smaller hostas that all had to be moved...

so yeah... I wouldn't include sun in your list... otherwise, I think your original post along with Chris and the other comments really does sum it up well...
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Noreaster wrote: This is interesting to me. I guess I thought that big roots= big hosta, but from your experience it sounds like this is not really the case? Developing longer, deeper roots is more for drought protection rather than robust growth?
Getting those roots better developed will help it to be more robust in the long run, I think. But honestly, the first time I dug a plant out of the wetlands I was shocked to see that the roots were so small compared to the huge clump.
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They didn't need long roots..same in my sons garden, but they grow wild there

John, you have said you have righ soil .. here are a few ideas for you to chose

Alfalfa... did the thing in my heavy clay in my former house
Epson salt, makes them greener. if needed
PH just under 7 / neutral - check it out

Chris.. sun versus shade may be corret in some areas... but in mine there is a huge difference.
Still thinking of the day Hank wrote he had his Fire and Ice in 6 hours of sunn... and it was a big cutie, mine- in the nordic shade had nearly the same size after 4 years... and was growing crazy when I moved it to more sun
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